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The schedule has been well known.  This issue is not new.  We postpone the schedule to accommodate those that don't meet the schedule, but they are unlikely to meet the schedule by Monday also. 

 I'd favor PB just cutting teams to 27 and keeping to the schedule. 

 (Obviously, not going to happen.)

Totally agree.  Set the FA Draft Order for those managers that have cut down their teams---why make them wait ?

Stan B

I agree with letting PB cut the teams TODAY! If these owners who haven't cut thier teams haven't notified PB of a legitimate reason why they couldn't, thenit should be done and stick to the schedual.

 

DaveS.

Why should some owners get an extra 1.5 days to settle their roster? If one of the prospects I kept blows out his knee today and is out for the year, do I get to swap him out for one of the players I dropped last night?

The owners who have failed to cut their rosters to 27 are likely the same ones that do this every year.  It is never a positive to reward bad or negligent behavior.  To do so teaches one only that they can get away with not following the rules.  PB should put their foot down and enforce the rules.  I would guess that they are not doing so because of the time it takes to cut down the rosters themselves.  I would also guess that there are more than just a few teams that have not done their cuts.

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Naturalsgm

Yes.  PB should make cuts for the owners that don't meet the schedule. 

Possible exception could be made if they could demonstrate some justifiable reason / hardship (and such exception should only be in extraordinary circumstance if the owner could make a strong case that they were unfairly wronged by the original deadline in light of their personal circumstance -- however, to avoid exceptions a later date should have been set in the first place)..

 

I contend that the two biggest problem in Purebaseball are:

1.) The setting of dates / deadlines in a manner that don't give adequate time to account for the fact that people have lives.

2.)  The changing of said deadlines after the deadline has passed.  (i.e. the failure to adhere to a schedule).

In principle I contend that the rights of the minority need to be protected; therefore, the deadline should be set in a way that ensures those with mitigating circumstances still have an opportunity [see note #1 below].  However, once the deadline has been set (whether the deadline was a good one or a bad one) then I believe the deadline should remain firm.  By announcing a deadline and then failing to enforce it (a) the rights of the majority are infringed and (b) credibility is lost.

I am a STRONG ADVOCATE of setting a REASONABLE deadline and then being FIRM.   In summary, if I were commish then the deadline would have been defined as 7:00 PM CT on Monday March 8th and at 7:01 PM on Monday, March 8th the commish would start making cuts.

[note #1]:  There will be some (perhaps more than half) that will read the comment above and argue that from Friday afternoon until Sunday afternoon is enough time for teams to make cuts.  I claim that it is enough time for *MOST* people, and I acknowledge that *MANY* of those that didn't cut by Sunday won't do it by Monday either.   However, I think it is REASONABLY POSSIBLE that some owner(s) could be away from the internet for 48 hours for one reason or another, or be otherwise engaged due to work, family, or other pressing needs.  I think it's good to allow up to 72 hours for these types of activities.  In order to protect the rights of the minority, I suggest that if a Monday deadline would have helped just one or two owners that it would have been justified.   However, regardless of the immediately preceding comments I do believe that once the deadline is set it should be FIRM.

 

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Tim A. / Lafayette / K15, F18, CH20, 99T2, 00T2

All great points by everyone.  I am as firm a believer of keeping the schedule as anyone, but I do have a confession:  I forgot to make my cuts until 2 hours late today. Thought the deadline was 5 PM for some strange reason.  While I cut down to 28 & 30 yesterday, I did not have time to finish my work until today.  Screwed up & made them today

So, I say cut some people a break.  Is a few hours or one day going to make a difference.  The draft is not for a week and a half and most of us know who we want to target in the first round. 

tomj:

All great points by everyone.  I am as firm a believer of keeping the schedule as anyone, but I do have a confession:  I forgot to make my cuts until 2 hours late today. Thought the deadline was 5 PM for some strange reason.  While I cut down to 28 & 30 yesterday, I did not have time to finish my work until today.  Screwed up & made them today

So, I say cut some people a break.  Is a few hours or one day going to make a difference.  The draft is not for a week and a half and most of us know who we want to target in the first round. 

 

Tom,

I for one think an additional day would have been fine (and fair) as long as *EVERYONE* is working to the same deadline.  However, the way this is being handled some people have the potential to get an unequal benefit (ability to use additional information that comes up today).

Also, I can understand a 2 hour grace period for a situation /misunderstanding such as yours.  However, a 30 hour delay (after the fact) on a task that initially only had a 40-44 hour time allotment is troubling.

NOTE:

If I'm trying to decide (today) whether to cut John Doe or Frank Smith and I see (today) that Doe tore his ACL or Smith's teemmate got hurt and now Smith is a starter then yes in that case the extra day made a difference.  Everyone should have gotten that extra day. 

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Tim A. / Lafayette / K15, F18, CH20, 99T2, 00T2

PB should absolutely make the cuts. In 99T2 there are 5 out of 20 teams that are not cut to 27. 3 are unmanged and one is owned by John Bravard. Seems like they need more time and we have to be put back even though we followed their schedule. The other team is at 29 and it is a clear case that they are going to need to cut someone that they obviously want to keep. In any event it is a clear disregard to the schedule they put in place. My suggestion is to do a lottery for the abusive teams like the rookie draft only place the offending teams at the bottom of the draft. That would go for all their picks, even multiple in the same round. Do not let their picks spiral to the top of the next round. I bet they will think twice about forgoing the schedule again.

I thibk more thought should be given to what day of the week it is. If the rookie draft ends Friday, set the cut for Monday night or Tuesday at noon, so that people who went away for the weekend can make their cuts,

I would like to see PB announce more reasonable deadlines, as above, and then stick to them. Unless an owner has contacted PB with a reaonable explanation I'd propose having a two-tiered FA draft selection process. If 16 teams (includng unmanaged teams) did their cuts and  4 didn't, I'd run the random draft order program for the first 16 spots and then a seperate one for spots 17-20. Don't do your cuts within the reasonable deadline without contacting the Commish? Go to the end of the line.

I totally agree-why do we continue to accomodate a group of managers who rarely follow guidelines.  Cut their rosters and let them learn-do not penalize the league's most dedicated managers.

 

Anthony

I read all the arguements why the cut time should have been Monday, allowing people a 'free' weekend before having to finish.  But, using that as an excuse now is worthless.  If people wanted/needed the extra time why didn't they bring it up when the dates were announced.  We've known the dates for a long time and there is no excuse not to meet the deadline.  If you don't want to be an active team owner/manager go find another place to get your baseball fix and let us proceed on the schedule we've implicitly agreed to.  This is the first time the inability to conform to schedules has really made me mad.  Giving the laggards extra days to gather information about cuts is totally unfair the the majority that have done their job.  Holding out until the other teams have made their cuts not only allows the offending owners time to review their player status but they can review the Free Agent list to see what positions they can fill from other teams cuts.  I know for sure if I'm around next season I'm not making any cuts until the Commish tells me I have to.  The hell with the rest of the managers, I may take a week or so to get all the advantage I can.  Maybe the laggards would prefer we wait until May or so to check player performance the first month.

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John, S3, Jackson Prospectors

Hey guys I'm as frustrated about the constant delays as the next guy. However I don't see this problem as a group of managers working an angle to get more time / information before making their cuts. I think the problem is more serious. With the exception of a few managers who may have had legitimate work, family, health issues that prevented them from making their cuts by the deadline, I believe the majority who have not made their cuts JUST DON'T CARE. They will not be made by Monday, they will not be made by next week, they will not be made until the commish does it for them. There are managers who have not made a draft list, have not made a trade, or even played a game in YEARS (not even the playoffs). I'm not sure why these teams are not marked unmanaged unless the commish is keeping them managed for the revenue generated. Then again I find it hard to believe a manager would allow money to be deducted on their creidt card month after month, year after year for a game they don't play. Manager apathy is a problem that permeates PB on so many levels. I believe this is a far more serious threat to PB then whether or not some managers get an extra day to make their cuts.

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Bob Campbell:

Hey guys I'm as frustrated about the constant delays as the next guy. However I don't see this problem as a group of managers working an angle to get more time / information before making their cuts. I think the problem is more serious. With the exception of a few managers who may have had legitimate work, family, health issues that prevented them from making their cuts by the deadline, I believe the majority who have not made their cuts JUST DON'T CARE. They will not be made by Monday, they will not be made by next week, they will not be made until the commish does it for them. There are managers who have not made a draft list, have not made a trade, or even played a game in YEARS (not even the playoffs). I'm not sure why these teams are not marked unmanaged unless the commish is keeping them managed for the revenue generated. Then again I find it hard to believe a manager would allow money to be deducted on their creidt card month after month, year after year for a game they don't play. Manager apathy is a problem that permeates PB on so many levels. I believe this is a far more serious threat to PB then whether or not some managers get an extra day to make their cuts.

I agree...the key point is an extra day will not affect active owners.  The fact that teams over the 27 roster limit included unmanaged and PB staff teams is also interesting.

Its a lot of work cutting teams that aren't cut.  If just one team takes advantage of the extra day, that less work for the commish.  One day isn't going to change anything.  If you want to make trades, you can have them ready to go. Otherwise you just set up your FA draft.  Still makes no difference since we have a complete week off before the FA draft next week.

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KenG